There is, however, a problem. NS has signed a contract with Eneco to guarantee the supply of this electricity. Its 50Hz in the Netherlands and most of the planet apart from (mainly) the US, Canada and half of Latin America. Most wind power is produced in the province of Flevoland. Yeap. Produced at least 8 models with power outputs of 100, 250, 500, 1000kW. I would take it, then, that you are not among the poor and elderly who DO give a fig about money? Because theyre just one part of a wider grid, most train operators use electricity from a mix of different sources coal-fired generators, nuclear plants, hydropower or, in the case of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, exclusively from wind turbines. NS uses as much electricity as all Amsterdam residents combined, and its trains represent over 90 percent of commercial train travel in the country. Its standard accounting practice. It probably has a lower calorific value, a greater CO2 content (up to 30%/40% from some sources), and your local regs may insist it be odourised. The real electricity they use is of course no more or less green than other companies on the same grid use. So pick your choice How much of the Netherlands electricity is supplied by wind? Does anyone even believe that? The new Zuidwester site at the wind farm will have just 12 turbines and a total nameplate capacity of 90 MW. Sign up for our email newsletter! Heres a fantasy as to how Nederlandse Spoorwegen could make their claims of only using wind power a reality. Often only 100% renewable utilities are allowed to participate in the auctions. The electrons that run the electrified portion of the NS system come from many sources, including wind, but also from coal, natural gas, and nuclear. Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy, said NS spokesman, Ton Boon. Built 1992 this nearshore wind farm had just 4 Nedwind 500 KW turbines based 1km to shore. 2015 was a record year for new installations in the Netherlands with 586 MW added of which 180 MW were offshore. Stations are heated using heat exchangers, green gas or green electricity. It seems small compared with our renewables subsidies in the UK, which are of the order fo 150-450 times as big per MWh. Sign up for our email newsletter! The point about this is that it is just PR. The Nuclear Humanist 1.75K subscribers 40 Dislike Share 814 views Jul 23, 2017 The Dutch Railway Corporation. The question is: how long must a windmill generate energy before it creates more energy than it took to build it? TL;DR Dutch trains run on natural gas and coal power, not wind power. This quote appeared in a book edited by Homer-Dixon, but it was actually written by David Hughes. Per Physics 101, once electricity is fed into the grid it travels, as electromagnetic waves, at near the speed of light on un-insulated wires, i.e. According to Cleantechnica [5] The first of these, the 429 MW Noordoostpolder wind farm was already partially deployed by year end 2015 whilst the 600 MW Gemini offshore wind farm was commissioned in 2017. Homer-Dixon, Thomas. We do something like this California with biogas. In 2006, the Egmond aan Zee Offshore Wind Farm was built, consisting of 36 Vestas V90 3MW turbines, totaling 108 MW, sufficient to light 100,000 houses. Produced at least 12 models of 2000, 4000, 4500, and 5000kW. Its worth remembering that data on wind and solar is available here: http://mylly.hopto.me/windineurope/wind_solar_20_countries_raw.zip. (CONTINUED), London Underground trains use two conductor rails to manage their electricity needs (Image courtesy [+] of BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images), In all cases, this regenerated electricity can be returned to the power line via the conductor rail. [18], In the first week of December 2016, all 150 turbines of the new 600 MW Gemini offshore windfarm began producing power, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned by mid 2017. Thats true, of course. Roger, that map isn`t quite updated. Whats the trick? http://electronicdesign.com/power/google-s-renewable-energy-plan-what-it-seems, Telling fibs has become so fashionable that everyone and his train or server wants to be in on it. EV Use Is Growing, But Where Are The Chargers. In contrast to onshore wind farms, almost all turbines by January 2017 were situated in just a few large wind farms. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman,. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. Ah, so they're contracted for wind energy offset, not 100% wind energy powered. NS Dutch Railways has partnered with energy company Eneco to use its wind. The company aims to further reduce consumption by 2 percent a year with an energy efficiency program, with total consumption already reduced by 30 percent since 2005. Belgium and Finland, wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities, http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy, http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf, http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/, https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. Windmills have historically played a major part in the Netherlands by providing an alternative to water driven mills. You know all that and simply fabricate a problem where there is non. What is SDE? That is why half of the demand will be sourced from a number of new wind farms in Belgium and Scandinavia, which have been specifically assigned for this contract., http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featuremichel-kerkhof-of-eneco-discusses-the-dutch-rail-networks-renewable-revolution-4647194/. Either figure comfortably exceeds the amount of electricity NS uses to power its electric trains, which is variously quoted as either 1.2 or 1.4TWh/year. Many of the numerous smaller and older wind farms in the Netherlands consist of much smaller turbines compared to those typically deployed today. As of October2022[update], wind power in the Netherlands has an installed capacity of 8,304 MW, 29.6% of which is based offshore. If you want to be generous to NS, you can say that the BritNed interconnector is definitely being fed by the coal fired Maasvlakte power stations when it is delivering 1GW to the UK, because theyre right next door to the HVDC converters. Since 2019, the buses have been powered by HVO (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil) made from processed deep fryer oil and industrial fats. According to DutchNews.nl, there's currently a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country. It feels to many like progress. But how does NS know the power it imports is wind? 2009. "Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives) Paperback." Were starting to see this ploy more often in recent years. As of the first of January this year, all public transport trains are being powered by renewable energy, namely from wind power. 150, 200, 225, 300, 500, 750, 850 and 1300kW. Once stored, this electricity can be sold to the main power grid, helping the city to top up peak demand, and earning the train company money in the process. (End of excerpt). Several commercial parties have now caught onto the PR value of claiming they are not getting government subsidies for their investment in renewable energy. World-famous for their picturesque windmills, the Netherlands has always had a love affair with wind energy. Many small scale wind farms exist throughout the Netherlands which bear testament to earlier models of wind turbines and lesser known manufacturers which provided a range of niche products, ranging in size and power output. These were often manufactured by lesser known wind turbine manufacturers, sometimes producing innovative products such as the Nedwind 2 blade turbine. The ns also solved the issue of delayed trains by changing the defenition of delay from 3 minutes to 5 minutes. In late 2015, the Dutch government announced its goal to power the country's electric trains entirely with wind power by 2018. How much wind? That's something. But lets be real. The Netherlands, aka Windmill Country, is now operating 100 percent of its electric trains with wind energy. NS consumes 1.2 terawatt hours (TWh) of electricity each year, which is the equivalent of 1% of the Netherlands' electricity consumption, or the total electricity consumption of all the households in Amsterdam. At this point, total Dutch wind power generation is about 7.4 billion kWh annually. But its a funny read. The historical land of windmills is leading . Impressively, this means their initial goal was met one whole year ahead of schedule. [9] As a first step, the government has determined 65 sites for offshore wind farms in the North Sea and IJsselmeer. French people are bricoleurs they like to build their own house, thanks to the fact that if it has a surface below 175 m2 you dont need to go through an architect, you can do your own building plan. However, early successes in rolling out the clean energy program . Their original goal was to transition the trains to 100 percent renewable energy by 2018, but that target was moved up after reaching 75 percent in 2016. Why cant, errr sorry, why Dont you? Since Lithuania has a chronic power shortage the flow normally goes North-South. 14 October 2009. You may have a battery bank to store some of it in case of an outage, but mostly it will go to the electric company and they credit you. Every electric train on the Dutch railways NS network now gets 100 per cent of its energy from wind energy. According to Railway Technology because it has a: green energy contract thought to be among the largest yet signed in Europe between power supplier Eneco and VIVENS, an energy procurement joint venture comprising Netherlands Railways (NS), Veolia, Arriva, Connexxion and rail freight firms, and because, NS and Eneco have carefully selected a list of wind farms that fulfil their criteria of being traceable, sustainable or renewable and additional, or new, and because, This partnership ensures that new investments can be made in even newer wind farms, which will increase the share of renewable energy. The next largest onshore wind farm is the Westereems wind farm located in Eemshaven in Groningen, in the north of the Netherlands. This question generated a number of comments in the last Blowout so I thought I would take a quick look at it. supply from NSs contracted windfarms,and if their supply drops below the train systems demand, In 2016, Dutch wind hit the headlines again, when a 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele became the most cost-effective in the world. Physically it makes no difference as you say, but as HeavyWeather pointed out above my money is now going to fund reactors not Energiewende, so Im happy. Earlier this week, one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), announced that, since 1 st January, every single one of its electric trains have been running on energy. The construction of these wind farms along with others in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Finland helped NS and Eneco to hit their target so far ahead of schedule. BBC News. [62], Installed land-based wind capacity (MW) by. https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. I did not say wind energy is Idiot Power.". If its a less busy line, some of the electricity is stored in batteries on the train. Works for me, and they were cheaper than EON too. The 129 MW Eneco Luchterduinen wind farm is located 23km off the coast between Zandvoort and Noordwijk cities in the Netherlands. They arent directly powered by wind. Since 2017 , 100% of Dutch electric trains have been powered by wind energy. The green electricity we use is generated by new wind farms, which have been brought into service in phases. The headline: Netherlands Trains Now Running on 100% Wind Power. The historical land of windmills is leading the charge in wind energy development. Google will allegedly power all its operations with renewable energy this year by doing exactly the same thing. Plus, it turns out that about half the electricity NS uses to power its rail system comes from outside of the Netherlands. These. To aver otherwise displays ignorance or deception. Started operation in 2001 and is developing a 6,000kW two blade downwind turbine. Two of the models are still under production. Our ambition is also to use more of our own resources (buildings, property) to generate sustainable energy. Good for Nederlandse Spoorwegen. In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. You buy green energy elsewhere to offset your fossil fuels. Because Eneco, which contracts to supply NS with wind power, gets a Guarantee of Origin from the exporter under which the exporter confirms that the power came from wind and assigns the rights to it to NS. I am laughing. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman, Ton . The rationale is: If the Dutch railways sourced 100% of the 1.4 tWh of energy they needed each year from within the Netherlands, this would decrease availability and increase prices of green power for other parties. This year the country is due to start operating a 600-megawatt offshore wind farm, called Gemini. Began operating in 1990. The truth is that its impossible to determine the source of electrons actually moving NS trains down the track. These systems are found on underground trains in Los Angeles, Auckland and Buenos Aires, among others. The rest is supplied by wind and solar power, which contribute about a fifth of the citys power. [3], In March 2022, the Dutch government announced that by 2030 offshore wind was to become the Netherlands' biggest power source, aiming at 21 GW of installed capacity.[4]. Thatd give us a consumption figure for the city of around 1.5 billion kWh. However, everyone must have a contract to be authorized to draw energy from the grid; otherwise it would be stealing. There are many reasons, of course, why NS would claim its trains run completely on wind power and even more reasons why many would celebrate this apparently breakthrough. More than wind and solar together right now. I live in France since 20 years, have almost always used electricity to heat my house and always saved money with respect to the neighbours who used other means. It is just another way for RE politicians to bamboozle the lay public and keep the green mythology alive. [20], The Rachel Carson wind farm (also known as the Eemmeerdijk Wind Park.) I paid 1100 Euros/year for a 150 m2 house, at 1000 m altitude on the French alps, heating, hot water, everything included. [2] [6] The wind park was developed off the coast of IJmuiden by Econcern and Eneco Energie, at a total cost of $522.3 million.[6]. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. You are not really concerned about the energy bills of the poor. This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand idea that's catching on the world over. This page was last edited on 14 January 2023, at 23:49. OK, these days its less than the bandwidth to your mobile, but mumble years ago it was the real deal. The commercials know that the public will probably think that the commercial parties are spending out of the goodness of their hearts, to save the planet. The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nations share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. The turbines have a hub height of 135 metres (443ft) and each new turbine can generate as much electricity as all 50 turbines of the old wind farm combined. As of January 1, all trains in the Netherlands now run entirely on wind power (that is to say electricity generated by wind farms, not masts and sails). ALL traction power for the Dutch railway network will come from wind turbines under a new energy contract signed on May 15 between power company Eneco and Vivens, an energy procurement joint venture which includes Netherlands Railways (NS), Veolia, Arriva, Connexxion and railfreight operators. Dutch electricity company Eneco won a tender offered by NS two years ago and the two companies signed a 10-year deal setting January 2018 as the date by which all NS trains should run on wind energy. Indirect Contributions Are Essential To Physics, The Crisis In Theoretical Particle Physics Is Not A Moral Imperative, Why Study Science? Belgium and Finland. The virtue signalling fools at NS might then undertsand the impact of intermittent supplies. NS would only care for the environment as a PR stunt, not for the betterment of the planet. All day so far. The company is also looking for a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. No direct subsidies from the government are related to this contract.. In addition, the use of conductor rails sets a speed limit on trains of about 160kph (100mph) above this, the metal contact blocks (called pickup shoes) can lose contact with the rail and result in a drop in power. Their goal was to operate all NS trains on electricity produced by wind turbines by January 2018. Eneco has agreed to supply 1.4 terawatt hours (TWh) of wind-sourced power by 2018, which is roughly the same amount of energy consumed by all the households in Amsterdam, the capital city. The third that by purchasing wind power that would otherwise have gone elsewhere NS is leaving the door open for more wind projects and more CO2 reductions is the only one that offers any tangible benefits. Even cheap electricity doesnt change anything. Snopes did not find evidence that Germany was experiencing a "total collapse" in wind and solar energy. That is, a windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it. As of the 1st of January, 2017, electric Dutch trains are now completely powered by wind energy, according to NS, the national railway company. Dutch electric trains are running on 1.2 billion kilowatt-hours of wind energy supplied by sustainable energy supplier, Eneco. So, the fact that they can now reliably produce it from wind is big news. Produced at least 14 models of 100. That means electrons traveling across international borders to help power the NS railway system come in some amount from wind power, but in much larger amounts from non-wind sources. Web. As shown in the table below installed capacity is dominantly fossil fuel, with natural gas making up 61% of total installed capacity and coal 15%. And how does NS justify this lesser claim? I guess I could have found something cheaper still if Id looked hard enough. Consumers in NL can choose suppliers that deliver 100% renewable, or 100% wind, or 100% dutch generated wind, etc. What Is (And Isn't) Scientific About The Multiverse. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. [5] This will contribute towards the Dutch target of 14% renewable energy use out of total energy use by 2020[10] and 16% by 2023. And meanwhile the Netherlands electrified railways continue to be powered dominantly by fossil fuel electricity. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. If not, Im sure their stranded customers would be happy to explain it to them. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. NS first announced their target for a wind-powered train fleet back in 2015, but they've hit their target a year earlier than planned - way ahead of their 2018 goal. Smaller turbines are often used for off grid, bespoke and community power internationally. The other thing most people (at least in the US) dont consider when they see stories like this: A country like the Netherlands is literally 1/3 the size of the state of Ohio. When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . I believe in low carbon power, just that I also believe in security of supply, and with wind, or solar or tidal, you cant get it. There are very little poor people in Germany., http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html, The Spiegel FUD wont cut it. I think the trains in the Netherlands use 1.5kVDC anyway bet there are no wind turbines producing that directly. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. Plus, it turns out that about half the electricity NS uses to power its rail system comes from outside of the Netherlands. When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Started operations 2009. And of course no such connections exist. During these periods wind generation in the neighboring Netherlands would also have fallen to low levels. The fun would be that trains would soon be blocking the lines as power production fell. Instead of trains recovering energy for their own use, any excess power is directed to a centralized bank of lithium-ion batteries. Same thing if you got solar panels on your house. For example, in 2015, Burlington, Vermont, became the first city to announce it was running totally on renewable power. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. Burlingtons biggest source of electricity is hydropower imported from across the region. The 113,3 Twh exported far exceeds the actual exports of course, but were good business for the power companies selling their power twice. The wind farm's 86 wind turbines will produce 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, enough. So how does NS justify the claim that all Dutch trains run on 100% wind power? There are several Dutch turbine manufacturers that continue to manufacture both large and small installations for domestic and international clients. N.p., 13 November 2000. Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less. Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy. One wind turbine running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. 600,000 passengers daily are "the first in the world" to travel thanks to wind energy. By tapping into both domestic and foreign sources of wind power, it [ensures] that there is always sufficient green power available on the grid for rail companies, even if the wind is not blowing, the company explained. The only way we could get close would be to take this measure of the citys population (813, 562) and this value for electricity consumption per person (1800 kWh). - YouTube 0:00 / 6:04 Do Dutch trains run on Wind? Not relevant here. Other peoples Money doesnt matter to you.. wrong! it MATTERS to those like heavyweather all savvy investors who have installed PV on their rooftops, PV which funnels 29 cEuro/kWh (on average) for each useless and counter-productive kWh which they dump on the network sums charged on the electricity bill of all the OTHER germans, of course! This has already led to a savings of 1.43 billions kilograms of C02 emissions. There are very little poor people in Germany. When I travel, I just plug in my electric razor, which automatically converts it. The Dutch rail network will run entirely on renewable wind energy by 2018 under a new contract signed by power company Eneco and energy procurement cooperative VIVENS. [61], In 2008, a second, somewhat larger offshore wind farm was built: the Princess Amalia Wind Farm, consisting of 60 Vestas V80 2MW turbines totaling 120 MW, sufficient to power 125,000 homes and help the Netherlands cut 225,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . In fact, an investigation by Energy Matters finds that the electrified portion of NS mainly runs on electricity derived from coal and natural gas. 22 May 2018. However, the government wants 40% of the total electricity used in 2030 in the Netherlands to be supplied by wind. [10] [11] [12], 2015 The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. Heating with electricity is their homemade problem that escalates bills for the poor with no alternative. Its own wind farms, built in the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden, aim to generate enough energy to fulfill NS's demand of about 1.4 terawatt-hours for 2017 (enough to power a million . The Netherlands national railway company, NS, has announced all of its electric passenger trains (not the freight trains) are now 100% powered by wind energy. As of January 1, all electric passenger trains on the Dutch rail network have been run on wind energy, according to a statement from operator NS (via EcoWatch ). As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . According to Thomas Homer-Dixon, wind turbines never recoup the energy it takes to build them. Passing through the gates without traveling, Forgetting to check in or out and requesting refunds, Sustainable accessibility of the Netherlands, More information about NS buses that run on HVO. In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. quite an amount of work youve done there, It doesnt add up ! And given that the company carries 600,000 people per day, the amount of electricity they need isnt trivial around 1.2 billion kWh of electricity a year. Headlines like this make people feel good. EDF was 13.44p but I keep reading comments about how RE fans should take electricity only from PV and wind turbines, so I decided I should do the same. Over the course of this year the average will be around 11%, equal to wind powers share of the Netherlands annual grid electricity consumption. I Did Not Say Wind Energy is 'Idiot Power.'" Train tickets for international journeys can be purchased from NS International. Under this system the government chooses locations and organizes tenders for projects of 350 MW, and project developers can offer bids for each farm. Reply to Rod above went to the wrong place and left off the smiley after Albania. The energy required to power trains in the Netherlands comes from newly built wind farms in the Netherlands as well as in Belgium and Finland. What Was It Like When The Universe First Created More Matter Than Antimatter? Ive included a (slightly-edited) mini-excerpt from my recent book, Science and the City, to explain: Electric locomotives dont have conventional engines. The farm was dismantled after 22 years service in 2016. For NS to use only wind power from wind farms to power its rail system the wind farms must be connected directly to NSs railways. At a good wind site, the energy payback day could be in three years or less; in a poor location, energy payback may be never. Bach supplies data for Belgium, which should be a close analogy, and Figure 4 shows Belgian wind generation for September 2014: Figure 4: Belgian wind generation, September 2014, With an installed capacity of around 1850MW in this month the overall wind capacity factor was 11% and there were a number of occasions on which wind generation fell effectively to zero for hours on end. This text is selectively excerpted from a chapter written by David Hughes in Carbon Shift (2009), a book I co-edited. I see the logic behind the options for supply that can be taken, but how can any householder take a contract for 100% wind power when often this is not available, certainly if a large number opt for green power. Half of this electricity comes from the Netherlands, and the other half is imported from Sweden, Finland, and Belgium. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. [14] A second hand market for turbines also exists, which could grow as older turbines are replaced by larger newer ones. As Cleantechnica puts it: the GoO system allows for the transfer of the rights to call electricity green from those who actually generate renewable energy to those who dont but want to classify their power as such. Some of the newer larger wind farms currently under construction are replacing smaller turbines previously installed at given locations. They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. This material may not be reproduced without permission. But none of this wind power is directly connected to the NS rail system. Could grow as older turbines are replaced by larger newer ones was real! 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